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, and fox business network lori rothman. let's start with, if we may. this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and liberty, if you can't stand for those, and fight for them, they have no business being one of the two major political parties. >> monica is right, the republicans have allowed obama to ccntrol the debate, we have the morale high ground and our plan, obama in 2011 talking about tax reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great with policy, but w
to get a vote on the fiscal cliff deal at 1:30, but minority leader mitch mcconnell, republican objected to that proposal saying i matter of such importance, 60 vote threshold, majority was born to do. now it will not happen, no vote today on the debt ceiling, fiscal cliff proposal to basically the breaking news is we're back where we started. melissa: what is the hottest stock on wall street these days. trading under. the bidding war for my favorite bank analyst. i love dick bove. speaker he is in purgatory. a billion dollars unauthorized trade was described as a rogue trader. presumption of innocence, he was arrested earlier in the week. take the firm, the firm has been closed down since then. dick bove has been in purgatory. sources are telling us bove reseed essentially 17 offers to join him, he is now down to five, he has contracted form in five firms. he believes he'll be making the decision on which of these five firms he will go to in the coming days. he says he is close to a deal to revitalize the firm, said he would stay with rockdale. if i tell you this. said he is t has to ma
the fiscal cliff proposal. the white house saying that the real problem is republicans who won't give in on new taxes for top earners. my next guest sound grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge concerning. congressman nunes, it is great to have you with us. >> this little visit i timothy geithner to speaker boehner, in which he basically says we are going to talk about stimulus -- that is pretty hard step to push or to stomachh isn't? >> yes, timothy geithner has been coming here for four years. he has come before the ways and means committee, before the budget committee. this guy has never told us the truth and we challenged them for years. the numbers don't add up, and that is the problem. he came here today and it was a waste of time. we shove the president meeting with the senate. it is kind of a joke and it is sad because it is a serious issue for the american people. lou: let me ask you. speaker boehner expressing frustration. it doesn't look to me that this president wants a negotiation, because he is not saying so, as he pointed out. secondly come he doesn't want a negotiatio
of the white house and congress to resolve differences that would avoid the fiscal cliff. that is $1.2 trillion in automatic budget cuts and $600 billion in tax hikes that would result from the expiratin on december 31, te consequences would simply be devasting. the economic impact on the country and the american people would mean the loss of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs. e very likely onset of yet another recession. the white house timothy geithner on capitol hill today. he went there empty-handed to meet the party leaders. house speaker john boehner who has already offered to raise tax revenue finds himself not in a negotiation, but rather competing in the white house media campaign. this is how speaker boehner reacted earlier today to the demands of the white house that were laid out by timothy geithner in a closed-door meeting. the treasury secretary reiterating the president's call for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue and timothy geithner rrently offering nothing in return. in lieu of federal pending. >> first, despite the claims that the presint supports a balanced appro
toward a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner said republicans put revenue on the table but the president and democrats haven't put enough on the table about spending cuts and are not serious about spending cuts. it is democrats are not serious about tax revenues. still one top democrat said, don't listen to the rhetoric. >> going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner this morning ssys there is no progress all you have to do is just listen to what's happening out there and you know there is progress? >> speaker boehner in his press conference said, quote, this is a moment for adult, for some adult leadership. kind of a slap at the president there, ashley. ashley: boy oh, boy. the rhetoric starting to get a little sharper with each passing day and hour. peter, on another issue what is the latest on the capitol visitors center being evacuated? >> looks like it may have been a false alarm. there were a number of fire trucks up here on capitol hill a
think we go off the fiscal cliff. neil: really. >> if republicans cave, first. democrats are not putting anything on the table for cutting you know expenditures, and you know entitlements this is a ruse. if republicans cave, they -- there is a risk of a revolt in the republican party like they have never seen, boehner will be out, i think eric cantor will be out, they are treading on really thin ice, i can not imagine conservatives -- that are you either, intellectuall3 conservative class that speaks on fox news and writes and grassroots, will let this happen, they are going to get nothing, do you really think they are going to gettin gettin? neil: i'll ask the questions. challengcharlie gasparino the b. >> and franklin roosevelty grandson here. >> social security measure gives at least some protect to 50 millions of our citizens. >> we had address the drivers of the deficit, social security no not. >> social second has not added one penny to the deficit. >> senaaor reid and others have spoken out we'll not touch any of the entitlement. >> we should take social security off the table. ne
house is leveling the republican counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff. president obama try this and saying there is no deal without tax hikes on the ridge. with more on this, republican congresswoman dianne black of tennessee. welcome to the show. great to have you. i have to ask you about this story that has been breaking this afternoon. apparently the president will meet with what they're calling progressive talk-show hosts. i think this is a lot of talent. it will parade through the white house. the president will sit down with them. are you getting the sense here that maybe the president is meeting with a few too many people? should we jjst get the job on the fiscal cliff? >> i could not agree more. i felt very discouraged. the president this been more time campaigning that he did of the beginning of his campaign. we need to have serious negotiations. we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with our leader, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small business, big business. the
to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that is sort of like a lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear that he was supporting tax cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so far, the president plans to keep pressuring republicans from the outside. meeting with the nation's governors on tuesday and then addressing the business roundtable on wednesday. lou: thank you. ed henry, fox news chief white house correspondent. joining me now, a pulitzer prize-winning journalist, campaign strategists, former reagan political director of, veteran d
to the fiscal cliff just for a second. that is, the republican messaging, if you will. they have an opportunity here, it seems to me, as well as a problem, but i don't hear creative, imaginative, if you will, rhetoric or language or positioning or messaging. >> we have been for about three years now. so i think the's no reason for it to start now. what house republicans have to understand is they are the republican party for the next four years and have to have messaging and basically tell the american public what they're doing and why they're doing it. they can't be for tax cuts, for spending cuts. they have to articulate how it fits in the big picture. there are some skilled people that need step forward. lou: would i be too cynical to say that perhaps the president has an additional advantage in this little carrousel of nonsense around the fiscal clef in that it also deflects and distractsfrom that half trillion dollars in new taxes that will be hitting the middle class in this country s a result of obamacare begining january 1 with or without a fiscal cliff? >> wl, we can get into -- a lot
with everyone about the fiscal cliff, everyone except for the leaders in washington d.c. for the republican party. we will share our list of people that the president might also want to think about sitting down with. it mht have just about as much affect as president obama plane taxman. how much higher? we will show you what some suspect about the math in d.c. in the "chalk talk" next. ♪ lou: we have national debt net of $16 trillion. we wa to do a little something in that "chalk talk" tonight to bring some simple math home, primarily for the benefit of those we elected to represent us in washington d.c. and if cbo, a congressional budget office projections are right, that 16 will be a trillion dollars higher next year. if the fiscal cliff is avoided, the federal government is expected to spend, let's do it this way, over three and a half trillion dollars. that's a lot of money, especially since they are only collecting to one-half in revenue and taxes. that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this wl be the president's fourth for whh he is personally re
the president's fiscal cliff plant to republican house speaker john bain and not buying it. he just said white house needs to get serious and the markets are turning lower. also had fiscal cliffs survival kit home additions that you contain right now to prepare. dennis: blamed superstorm sandy. retailers playing the blame game for week november same store sales. analysts already asking what it really the storm or the economy did pull those numbers down? cheryl: we are watching a power ball conference this hour with more details expected on the two winners of the $580 million record jackpot from missouri and arizona. of gone home to buy my ticket. dennis: stocks every 15 minutes, nicole petallides, for the stock exchange where stocks the suddenly lower on more cliffphobia. nicole: i can say in the wall street traders saying every headline out of washington moving this market, fiscal cliff phobia is a good way to say it, whatever you want to call it we have seen so many dramatic moves in the market, a particular companies making moves in preparation or all been wary about the fiscal cliff, let's
the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner says the ball is in the republican report to compromise. >> i cannot promise that. that is a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans. if they recognize the reality that we cannot afford to extend those tax rates, we have a basis of an agreement. stuart: how was that for an introduction. before we launch into your talking points, and i know you well, i want to mention this. the founder of cosco, as you know, he appeared at the democrat convention. big supporter of president obama. loves the tax the rich idea. he borrowed $3.5 billion imprisoned out to shareholders in the form of a special dividend this year. he walked with a check for $14 million. he pays and get $12 million cash. if the dividend was next year, he would have walked away with $8 million. by treating obama's tax the rich philosophy, this obama supporter got an extra $4 million. i say that is hypocrisy. will you join me in condemning the hypocrisy of the superrich? [ laughter ] >> stuart, it is good to be here. i will have to look into that one a little more closely. i think we
's decision. it is his solution that will determine whether we go into a fiscal cliff. why is the republican party not getting that? >> well, i think they missed out on a big opportunity to own this argument. they missed out on it. mitt romney missed out on it during the presidential campaign. and it was missed out on this time around. a lot of conservatives are really hoping that he was going to dig his heels in on this issue and but for the proposal that was all right and ask and we could count on it and maybe do some of the pr and marketing to back that up so we can swing public opinion. >> except clearly that is not happening. >> let's move forward. hindsight. okay. mistakes were made. now what to do? a tour republican party sees this is a huge political game, why don't they do something about it? >> the republican party is going to get blamed. if you look at all of the polling, the pure research, everyone is saying this is the republicans' fault. i think at this point they need, he needed to do what he did. that's all he could do. he needed to put something for it. lou: we need to -- ma
the fiscal cliff because it will have bad responses to republicans. the obama people will be able to say you gave away the ability to keep taxes down on 98% of americans. and for the president, the idea that he would allow the taxes to go up, again, on appetizing for him given that he said he would protect the american middle class. lori: he said the same thing over and over again. how do you see this sorting itself out? >> from purely a political viewpoint, i did not see why anyone would not make a deal. the fear i have is they just kick the can down the road thing and they create a three-month bridge. not the heart and soul of it which will be, as you said, some kind of tax hikes. then, you move on, in terms of the entitlement cuts. i do not think we will get the social security. when it comes to spending and social security on the like -- that is what will happen. i do not see why people don't just make the deal. lori: how much further down the road can it go? juan williams, so nice to see you. have a nice weekend. >> thank you, lori. melissa: charlie gasparino has the latest details. he
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the fiscal cliff is an imperative. we are having a one-sided conversation. the republicans have put out a plan saying raise revenue from reach people, banseed, spending cuts, and that landed with a thud over in the white house, no response, and the president has yet to put out a balanced plan, and what we got is i want $1.6 trillion in tax revenue. give it to me. gerri: and rid of the debt ceiling. >> we've seen this movie before. no ceiling, give me the revenue, i'll spend it. now what? until cuts are in place, this doesn't make sense. gerri: i want to hear what ann coulter said about the debate. >> don't cave on everything, but republicans feed into what the media is telling america -- >> wait a minute, i want to understand. you are saying then for pr purposes, they should give into obama on the tax rate. >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am -- >> you're saying obama, who is -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. gerri: what do you think of this? as a strategy, maybe it's the right thing? acknowledge that the american people voted for the president
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and house republicans are rolling out eir fiscal cliff counteroffer to the white house. includes $800 billio in new tax revenue. that is roughly half what the president was aiming for. 300 billion in dcretionary spending cuts. 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts. now the whi house responding just moments ago saying quote, the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. they don't like it. i'm joined by da mitch chill from the cato institute for more on this. dan what do you think. these are a lot of things to occur just in the past few hours. do you feel like ere is progress being made? >> there is progress but progress in the wrong direction. the number on thing to understand alrdy even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 w
their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us whether a disaster can still be avoided. >>> would you sublet your name for an entire year? a bidding war breaks out for the right to one man's name. he is here to explain his bold idea and how he is cashing in. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let egg look at the day's market headlines. concern over the fiscal cliff bleeding into the u.s. manufacturing sector. factory activity in november declined for the first time in three months. the news weighted down stocks helping shed 59 points off the dow. the raw materials sector hit hard by the contraction in manufacturing. shares of dupont were the biggest loser closing down 2%. dell ge
with the message to fix the fiscal cliff. the democrats and republicans refuse to either endorse or dismiss either of the plans out there. the one floated by the white house and the one that house republicans floated yesterday. that, of course, the latest plan in washington, $800 billion in tax revenue increases, a trillion cuts in spending, including entitlements. it's a plan that was partially taken from the former chief of staff for president bill clinton, one that the republicans put out yesterday, and it's one that democrats roundly rejected. >> republicans' plan, on the other hand, is more of the same. not only does it balance the budget on the backs of the middle class, but voids the promise to seniors with cuts to social security and medicare all to pay for handouts to the rich. at least we know where they stand. >> republicans are willing to make sure we don't go over the cliff, but, at the same time, don't harm the economy. what has to happen, the president needs to show leadership, sit in the room, stay here, get it done. that's why there was a proposal that's reasonable, meets his crit
to discuss why republicans are waging a war on working families with their fiscal cliff plan. that is 5:00 p.m. eastern here on fox business. >> as we say good-bye to you this hour a lot more ahead for the trading day with a couple hours to go. the president meeting with governors on what else, the fiscal cliff. did they come into any conclusion? ashley and tracy going inside the meeting with utah governor gary herbert. that's next. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making or losi money n pop up anytime. that's why she trades with e leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. ♪ [ engin revs ] ♪ [ me announcer ] oh what funun i to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at e winter event going on now through december 31st [ santa ] ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $57a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
to cave there will not be a fiscal cliff that will be damaging. neil: i tell you, better no deal than the deal they are coming up with right now. i raise with you othis, fair and balanced about this with president bush, he read that relatively close election with john kerry as a mandate to do all sorts of things, and mandate of the not there i think it was a case of overreach now, and this president is overreaching now, difference now is that you have a whole powerful section of the economy, going to along for this ridiculous ride. >> you have to be careful, correct thaidon't think that hat president has is the result of a huge electoral victory, it was good but not huge, where the hand comes from is knowing the american people how they feel with respect to increases in taxes but equally as important. is how the cuts end upcoming down, there are going to be cuts, one other thing, charley. neil: do you think there will be spending cuts ? >> definitely. it is going to happen. it -- it will be historic. neil: not part of this deal. >> it will be historic. >> it will happen. neil: opening
: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately dismissed that plan, saying, the lower tax rates for the rich and quote, fix the middle class with a bill. again, we come back to this. the main sticking point is the tax rate issue. the president insists more revenue comes from higher rates, not deduction limits. -pit's a standoff and it contins less than four weeks to go until the deadline. be careful what you say in a local police want a law, new law requiring that text messages be saved for two years. how do you feel about that? ever texted something you wish would go away right now? there is of course the privacy issue as well. well, here comes the judge. he will be new at 10 on this one. got it. shares of darden restaurants, they're down today and they're the company that runs olive garden, red lobster, and they're dow
: as republicans and democrats continue the back and forth over the fiscal cliff one thing they're already losing is the confidence the american people. look at this. just four in 10 americans believe washington will reach a deal by year's end to avert the fiscal cliff but nearly half do not think they will. that is according to this new poll released by the pew research center. let's get lou dobbs's take. he is gracious to join us at this time. >> great to be with you. how are you doing today? lori: doing well. melissa: you're so charming. lori: i get to sit next to him today. >> the fact of the matter is, that 40% is paying attention to president obama. he himself said, himself said, that he will, you know, he thinks two weeks really isn't adequate to do this thing correctly. let's just raise taxes. i mean the president himself is, he is a 40%. and he is a leader who is obviously not interested in reaching the conclusion before the end of this year. we're looking at some really, really sat efforts on the part of this white house and some outrage just demands and ultimatum. by the way i think th
cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of a budget negotiioion, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their meeting with small business owners and denied they are trying to punt until next year. >> i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with g.o.p. leaders in weeks and not offered a counterproposal to boehner's plan from last week. >> frankly, it was the balanced approach the president's been asking for. we need a response from the white house. >> reporter: the president continues to envies the only impediment to the deal
to avoid a fiscal cliff. to your point, you recently said, even if we reach a deal, the economy is still at series risk of a recession. >> that is right. we are looking at and economy that is very weak. growth was very disappointed. less than 2% real gdp growth in 2012. we will be struggling to achieve that next year, even without hitting the economy with more fiscal bad news. if we go over the cliff, it is really a major downturn. uncertainty remains about what is coming next. put that all together and we could certainly be put on the edge of a recession. lori: that manufacturing number coming in the low 50s, singling contraction. is that the first signal that this economy really is in trouble? >> certainly not the first signal. household earnings down. real disposable personal income has not increased since may. we are really looking at an economy that is weak. ooly thing keeping keeping consumer spending going is that households have been prepared to cut back on their savings rate to such a low level that i do not think there is more room or that in 2013. lori: there are bright spots
on the fiscal cliff but for whatever reason little more volatility in the market today. liz: he has been named one of the most influential people of the entire 20th century and going over the fiscal cliff will derail the biggest economic driver in the u.s. and that is biotech. mike milken talking about life-saving drugs, jobs that come with them and our status as the leader of the industry, all at stake if we go over the fiscal cliff. and dr. francis collins with the national institutes of health. fiscal cliff. folks including today to liz hy malcolmed the month of november and the red and nasdaq and s&p close slightly higher, consumer discretionary and industrials were this month's top performing sectors, utilities and energy lagged behind. oil posting its second straight day of gains closing the trading day up 1%, $80.91 for a barrel of oil and today's gains in crude up 3% for the month of november as concern over threats to supply due to mideast violence offset ongoing demand worries and personal spending, are you part of this, it sold for the first time in five months dropping 0.2%. the co
that is a coincidence? republicans and democrats sparring over how to avoid a fiscal cliff. potential disaster that they created. >> and a clear majority of americans. not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independence agreed we should have a balanced approach. >> we all know that we have had this been in crisis coming at us like a freight train. it has to be dealt with. lou: 33 days to go. can the president and congress fix the mess they have created? the "a-team" joins us. washington is struggling with the fiscal cliff or at least say they are. teamsters president says no deal is fine by him. we will show you why hoffa and some of his union buddies are ready to go over the cliff. susan rice apology to or on capitol hill goes on. another day of meetings with senators and more unanswered questions. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role. lou: israel, gaza, egypt, and ron, american foreign policy. will we ever get the facts on what happene
on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the wealthiest 2% to contribute just a little more to stop this runaway debt. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday he is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small business that he believes are making too much money and then on everybody else.
. the kinds of spending you're seeingo a great eent on the fiscal cliff and president's pl and lesser extent to the republican plan, largely disctionary spending cs. a lot coming out of defense. these are not longerm ructural chaes t will put on a path to a balaed budt. that will not happen. melissa: the other thing that struckme about the graphic when you look at it, the threat f from republicans hey, we would rath go over the cliff rather than take the president's deal, to me doesn't look terribly credible when you look at actual numbers. unss you take into perspective we're not really going overor years. but it is just going over the cliff is so focus on raising taxes, on absolutely everybody and spending cuts are really nothat imprsive in tes of getting, you know, the gap down smalle they say if you compare it to the white house plan they would rather g over the cliff. i'm not sure that is really credible given those mbers. what do you think?. >> way some rublicans not l, growing number of republicans are looking at this, assigningle to the president, making clea this t president'slan
the latest fiscal cliff shrugged off the concession on taxes. the administration is calling for a trillion and a half dollars in tax increases, and the other sticking point for republicans, much of it must be the results of tax rate increases, and that's a non-starter for republicans. >> flabbergastee. i looked, and i said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we have seven weeks between election day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. you heard for the first time in two decades now acknowledge revenues can go up as part of the balanced plan, a good first step, but they have to deal with rates and revenues. >> this talk has lawmakers and analysts skeptical. they could strike a deal to have hundreds of billions in tax increases set for january. still, both sides have been through the debate before. they know the options available to cobble a deal together. one aid says it's too early for either side to reach an agreement knowing they still have to show to their members they pushedded for every possible point to
obama's i'm going to call it slap in the face to the republicans on the fiscal cliff. check the price of oil. 88 a barrel, up a little. lisp to this, we've got a huge drop in the birth rate in the united states. the recession may be to blame. 64 births per 1,000 women of chile baring age, 15-44 in 2010. that's about half of what it was in the peak of the baby boom 1957. the birth rate is way down. liz macdonald and gerri willis are here on this subject. do you have any idea what's going on here? >> well, two sides could help explain that. first of all, mexico, for example, is doing better than it has been, fewer immigrants coming from mexico. there's a draw there right now going on in that country and here is the other thing, in this recession, two things that typically don't get hit as typically they got hit this time around. housing construction where immigrants work and farms where immigrants come in, so, these people who would typically work in these professions had their income quashed, left the country and lower birth rate. >> a great point. and when you have a lopsided society
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. thanks, peter. we also have news coming up on republican plans to avert the fiscal cliff. we're going to be talking about that, but first let's get to today's data download. stocks unable to hold on to early gains with the dow and s&p snapping a three-session winning streak. the blue chip average crossed the unchanged line 23 times before finally dipping into negativer territory. materials and industrials were today's worst performers while telecom was the only one of the s&p sectors to post any kind of gains. u.s. construction spending seeing a nice bump in october, the commerce department reporting spending rose 1.4% last month. this was well above what was expected. the analysts said it was going to bump .5%. private construction, spending rose 1.6% while spending on public projects rose .8%. and the u.s. manufacturing sector slipping into contraction last month. we got good news/bad news. falling to its lowest level in nearly three and a half years. the ism manufacturing index cropped to 49.5 in november from 53.7 in october, a reading below 50 indicates contraction. not necessari
, theman some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many ands a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i wantto start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which inclus 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spendin cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good pl called lorraine budg. they alloted for it in the house. itsaves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not iterested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans to keep moving in his direction. i suppos it ge you five minutes on the nightly news to say you are being reasonable, but the president keeps saying he jst wants massive tax increase no spendin cus. he wants to increase spending as part of this deal. the pr
.s. from going over the fiscal cliff. our next guest says, there is a lot of tough talk and little action. former republican senator george lemieux of florida joins me now. thank you for coming on the show. we read your op-ed in the "wall street journal" and dow we have to talk about this. i know you have written a lot of fraud, but i want to start with this idea that there is some discussion of getting medicare reform into the fiscal cliff talks. do you think anyone is serious about that? >> well, there needs to be. medicare is the largest growth in expenditure in the federal budget. if we don't reform the way that we pay of medicare it's going to be one of the things that breaks the bank and makes us unable to meet our obligations, so we absolutely have to reform it. the legislation that i wrote back in 2010 that we passed a bipartisan support and signed by the president went after something that everything to everybody is against. gerri: let's get to that in the second. i just want to spend one more second of this idea. the senator from illinois saying on tv that he would like to see 4
to deal with this properly, they so-called fiscal cliff is a piece of legislation, enacted by a republican house, a democratic senate and signed by a democratic president. stuart: you cannot fight the establishment media which is unified in blaming the republicans. >> my dear stuart, we work for an entity that for 16 years has successfully fought the establishment media, called fox. of course you can take them on. stuart: all around the table, you give me your honest judgment. you really think that if we go over the cliff, there's no agreement, and we go into recession, the republicans will not get the blame. you think they will not get the blame? >> -- because they don't know how to defend themselves. they don't know how to point the finger at the president who couldn't get a budget through a democratic house and a democratic senate. stuart: they are politicians. they are republicans. and they will get the blame. do you agree with that? sandra: it is still obama's last term and it's still -- the success of that term is still on his shoulders. i think the republicans will be at large to bl
avoid the fiscal cliff. i think it might be. it will require both sides to realize america should take priority over your party, being republican and democrat. we can't keep borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar without becoming a debtor nation and engaging in a slow dim minute news of out influence and power around the world. i think a seminal event at the federal level as well. neil: governor wilson, at least unlike washington, here in california you have guys been doing a lot of cutting. you could cut a lot more i think. i will say this, you at least practiced that. washington has not. where are you, when i see some of these deals to broker end of year cliff avoider is that it is weighed heavily toward tax hikes with the promise being that we'll address spending cuts. i know how promises go about spending cuts. they're very much like i'm diet promises. i'm not confident. >> well, with every reason because we have on about in deficit in this state now for a decade and, i don't believe those promises either. there has been some cutting but it is cutting after there was enormous spend
, he's not particularly interested in avoiding the fiscal cliff, and he's clearly not interested at all in cutting any spending. >> reporter: while democrats and republicans debate the size and specifics on tax increases, the two sides also remain apart on spending cuts, reforming entitlement programs like medicare and on the president's request to have greater power to raise the country's debt limit. but the news coming out of this one, "wall street journal" headlines saying that staff members from the president's team and from speaker boehner's team are genre assuming talks. we confirmed as of a couple of hours hag that that wasn't the case, so we're going to check on that right now. david: what they're talking about, we don't know. liz: maybe not dead in the water. david: thank you, rich, appreciate it. liz: we've got good news for all of you last minute shoppers out there coming up in the speed read. david: and up next, first on fox business, tom kloet, ceo of tmx group, a parent of the toronto stock exchange, on the impact of all these regulations coming out of our country. how wil
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